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hello,
Your contribution was reverted becouse one of the maps call bosanski jezik (bosnian language) as bošnjački jezik (bosniak's language) which is not factual but political claim in serbia and croatia. I can understand that you are unfamiliar with our language and you made thise changes unaware of its politics, but please refrein from change war. In map lagend it is clearly stated that green is for bošnjacki jezik.
Hey, could you please tell me where it says Bosniak? I don't see it anywhere. But perhaps I am wrong, so do point it, thank you.
As for the rest, these maps are indeed better than the previous one for the reasons I have explained in my revert.
However - and this is the reason why I will keep removing your map - keep removing it - is because it is inaccurate and nationalistic. There are multiple issues about, including with regard to Bosnia. However, as a Bulgarian, what is completely unacceptable to me is the way dialects in Bulgaria are portrayed as "Macedonian". This may have been an influential take in the Cold War period, where Yugoslavia was generally favourised in the West, but this approach is all but dead now. The people who live in Pirin Macedonia identify as Bulgarians and their language as Bulgarian, etc. etc. etc. and this has been confirmed and reconfirmed ten thousand times over. Spreading nationalistic POV is not exactly within Wikipedia's charter. This is what you are doing with this map. If you don't like the other ones, puff, I don't care. However, I CONTEST THE VERACITY AND NEUTRALITY of the current map and I demand that it be taken down immediately. VMORO (razgovor) 21:13, 13 novembar 2023 (CET)Odgovori
as I explained it is stated in map legend it doesnt take much to see it. However your action may be considered as vandalism, and wikipedia is no place for threats and such behaviour may get you banned so please keep discussion civil.. Panassko (razgovor) 21:38, 13 novembar 2023 (CET)Odgovori
Curious how you say "Wikipedia is no place for threats" and then you make a threat that I will be banned. Have you heard the term "double standards"?
I formally dispute the veracity and neutrality of the posted map and want to have it taken down and erased for pushing Macedonian PoV, contradicted by all modern sources.
Since your entire argument hinges on there being "Bosniak" somewhere, would you be a dear and tell me where it is? I see - very clearly = from the very start - BOSNIAN:
I will not argue uselessly with you so this will be my last post on this subject. You made threats I made comment that such behaviour may lead to ban, I am not administrators and can't ban you. Onviously you know perfectly well which picture is in question so you posted part of it thar show countries and langueage, look at the right where map legend is stated. You did not made argument nor statements but you started peddling maps of dubious origin which claims our language is called bosniak and are being agressive and pushing. As you see I am not reverting your deletions but will let administrators look into it. This discussion is closed for me. Best regards,
1) No, you will not answer because your argument is basically non-existent. I will not comment on the continuing threats against me (I wonder how "Wikipedian" is it to do it). Personal attacks are of no interest to me.
2) While you engage in threatening me, I will again say that I dispute the impartiality and the correctness of the map that you have been used until now. I have nothing against either you or any other Bosnian.
3) You seem to be claiming that I am pushing propaganda. If necessary, I can quote you at least 5 prominent sociolinguists, who say that the border between Bulgarian and Macedonian is the state border because this is how people self-identify. These are the same reasons why linguists now consider that a "Bosnian language" does indeed exist, even though it is more or less identical to Croatian - it is because of socio-linguistics, it's because you consider yourselves to speak Bosnian - not Serbian, Nigerian or Moon, but Bosnian. Your claim is entirely baseless. If I am pushing propaganda, then all Bosnians are pushing propaganda, as the same principle applies to what I dispute and to the reasoning behind the acceptance of the Bosnian language.
4) Finally, I will expose you as a liar. I will publish both maps in their full size below so that everyone can see with their own eyes that the word "Bosniak" does not appear anywhere in any map and that your reverts are motivated by other reasons. What are they?
Map 1 says BosniaN, not BosniaK
Map 2 doesn't mension either.
I am looking forward to speaking to an administrator or to an adult, who does not make unverified claims, nor writes cryptic things like "Oh, you know very well where Bosniak was".
We are not at the kindergarten. If someone thinks I have made a mistake, please write me, be specific, point out what it is about - and I will thank you and fix it. No need to write pages and pages about... I don't know? A lie? There is no Bosniak in any of the maps. VMORO (razgovor) 22:45, 13 novembar 2023 (CET)Odgovori
Oh, I am. I have explained my position, what I believe in, and I have provided evidence that the word "Bosniak" is missing from the maps. And all this has been laid out very clearly and very openly. I am working to make Wikipedia a better and more trustworthy source of information. Your map is biased, I have explained why, and its replacement will make Wikipedia a better place. Thank you for your time.VMORO (razgovor) 22:51, 13 novembar 2023 (CET)Odgovori
No, I have had enough of you being cryptic and shifty and not having the common decency to explain clearly what the problem is. In none of the maps is Bosniak featured.
You don't know what you have reverted. You have shown this clearly now. This is the final version of the map:
Are you even paying attention to what you are doing? Is this an argument for the sake of argument??? I insist that an administrator be involved here. VMORO (razgovor) 23:14, 13 novembar 2023 (CET)Odgovori
