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===Dispute over claims===
Ozbiljne nesuglasice između podataka Ujedinjene eskadrile i podataka Njemaca su dovele do preispitivanja tačnosti zvaničnih podataka o Marseillovim pobjedama, izuzev onih ''JG 27''.<ref name="Brown281-282"/>
Some serious discrepancies between Allied squadron records and German claims have caused some historians and Allied veterans to question the accuracy of Marseille's official victories, in addition to those of ''JG 27'' as a whole.<ref name="Brown281-282"/> Attention is often focussed on the 26 claims made by ''JG 27'' on 1 September 1942, of which 17 were claimed by Marseille alone. Another biographer, Franz Kurowski, claims that 24 of the 26 victories were verified through Allied records after the war.<ref>Kurowski 1994, pp. 196-197.</ref> A USAF historian, Major Robert Tate states: "[f]or years, many British historians and militarists refused to admit that they had lost any aircraft that day in North Africa. Careful review of records however do show that the British [and South Africans] did lose more than 17 aircraft that day, and in the area that Marseille operated."<ref>Tate, Major Robert (USAF). [http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/hanstate.html "Hans-Joachim Marseille".]</ref> Tate also reveals 20 RAF single-engined fighters and one twin engined fighter were destroyed and several others severely damaged, as well as a further USAAF P-40 shot down.<ref name="Tate 2008, p. 99"/> However, overall Tate reveals that Marseille's kill total comes close to 65-70 percent corroboration, indicating as many as 50 of his claims were not actually kills.<ref>Tate 2008, p. 124.</ref> Christopher Shores and Hans Ring also support Tate's conclusions.<ref>Shores and Ring 1969, p. 170.</ref> British historian [[Stephen Bungay]] gives a figure of 20 Allied losses that day.<ref name=Bungay>Bungay 2002, pp. 140–141.</ref>
Pažnju privlači 26 tvrdnji koje iznosi ''JG 27'' [[1. septembar|1. septembra]][[1942]]., a od kojih 17 navodi Marseille sam. Drugi biograf Franz Kurowski tvrdi dja su verificirane 24 žrtve od njih 29 u spisima Savaznika nakon rata. <ref>Kurowski 1994, pp. 196-197.</ref> Historičar USAFa, Major Robert Tate kaže: "godinama su mnogi Britanski historičari i vojna lica odbijali priznati gubitak viona tog dana u [[Sjeverna Afrika|Sjevernoj Africi]]. Detaljnim pregledom podataka vidi se da su tg dana Britanci i Južnoafrikanci izgubil preko 17 letjelica na području na kom je Marseille bio."<ref>Tate, Major Robert (USAF). [http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/hanstate.html "Hans-Joachim Marseille".]</ref> Tate također otkriva da je uništeno 20 RAF boraca sa jednim motorom, i jedan sa dva motora dok je nekoliko drugih teško oštećeno a USAAF P-40 srušen.<ref name="Tate 2008, p. 99"/> Ipak, Tate smatra da Marseilleov potvrđeni postotak ubijanja iznosi 65-70%, tako ustvari pokazujući da skoro 50% njegovih tvrdnji nisu tačne.<ref>Tate 2008, p. 124.</ref> Christopher Shores i Hans Ring također podržavaju Tateove zaključke.<ref>Shores and Ring 1969, p. 170.</ref> Britanski historičar [[Stephen Bungay]] tvrdi da je Savez pretrpio 20 gubitaka tog dana.<ref name=Bungay>Bungay 2002, pp. 140–141.</ref>
 
Ipak tvrdnje za [[15. septembar]] [[1942]] su pod ozbiljnom sumnjom.
However, the claims for 15 September 1942 are in serious doubt, following the first detailed scrutiny of the records of individual Allied squadrons by Australian historian [[Russell Brown (author)|Russell Brown]]. Moreover, Brown lists several occasions on which Marseille could not have downed as many aircraft as claimed.<ref name="Brown281-282"/><ref>Tate 2008, p. 64-65.</ref>